As I start this study you need to know I will not change one word, or the meaning of one word in the King James Bible (such as whosoever, every man, all men, any, and world), seeing it is the authority. If you have to change one word or its meaning in the K. J. B. to prove your doctrine, your doctrine is wrong. If you don’t believe the King James Bible is the word of God without proven error or contradiction then you are your own authority and there is no hope for you. So don’t waste your time reading this, seeing you think you are smarter than God.

This doctrine of devils has been around a long time. It started with a man by the name of Augustine who taught that if a baby died a span long, if not elected, would go to Hell. Then John Calvin came along and he could not accept babies going to Hell so he said any baby that died was in the elect. This doctrine has been passed down from preacher to preacher who has been deceived and blinded by devils.

The men who teach this doctrine will not admit that predestination puts some in Heaven and some in Hell. They say God never predestinated anyone to go to Hell. There are only two places to go when one dies: Heaven or Hell. If you are not predestinated to go to Heaven, then you must be predestined for Hell. Predestination works both ways. Anybody with any sense can see this.

I pastored a Baptist Church for ten years in a Primitive Baptist hot bed. While I was pastoring in that area, Jettie Harper started coming to our church. About the third time she came, she came to the altar. I asked her what she wanted and she said she wanted to be saved. Later, after being saved, she told me she was eighty-two years old and had been in a Primitive Baptist Church all of her life but had never heard the truth on how to be saved. Another man that was about sixty-five years old and had been in a Primitive Baptist Church all of his life, did not know a person could be saved and know it. All the Primitive Baptist in that area accused me of being a heretic but praise be to God, He saved a lot of their children and grandchildren.

Another thing that I have observed through the years is that this group is made up of two kinds of people, the educated and the uneducated. By their quotes it is hard to tell the difference in the content, but in vocabulary you can tell. Let me share a few with you:

I am happy that I am ignorant and I would be happier if I was ignoranter.

If my children go to hell I will praise God for ever seeing it was His will.(If you believe Calvinism you have to agree with this statement.)

Two God given rights are the right to bare arms and to make liquor.

Don’t study just open your mouth and God will fill it.

You can’t know that you are saved until judgment day.

Augustine, said “Who created the reprobate [the lost sinner whose sins were never paid for in limited atonement] but God? And why? Because He willed it. Why did he will it? Who art thou o man that repliest against God?”

Augustine, “Babies not a span long, that die and are not a part of the elect go to hell.”

In the counsel halls of eternity God predestinated the elect to be saved.

There will be more people in heaven who never darkened the doors of a church than those who did. The church is a crutch for those who are weak.

You be the judge who is the educated and the uneducated.

Some may say, what do Primitive Baptist believe? They believe John Calvin's doctrine. So for some who may be reading this article and don't understand this doctrine, I will explain it and refute it at the same time using their own booklet.

The word TULIP is an acrostic for their doctrine: T - total depravity of man, U - unconditional election, L - limited atonement, I - irresistible grace and P - perseverance of the saints.

Let's take a close look at each point. By total depravity - they mean that a man is totally depraved with out a will of his own and therefore cannot accept Jesus Christ as saviour, unless elected.

Unconditional election - they mean that before the foundation of the world God chose who would go to heaven and who would not. Limited atonement - Jesus only shed His blood for those who would get saved.

Irresistible grace - a person who has been elected and atonement made for cannot reject God’s salvation.

Perseverance of the saints - those who are elected and atoned for, thereby accepting God’s salvation, will persevere.

This doctrine is called the five points of Calvinism. The question often comes up, How many points are you? Some will say, I am a two pointer, three pointer, five pointer etc. You can’t be a one, two, or three pointer without being a five pointer. How can you pick out two or three points when they all tie together? I am not even a one pointer. You may say, Then you must believe you can loose your salvation. Not so. The Bible teaches that we are secure in Christ, then it is not up to me to persevere!

To further explain and refute the Calvinist doctrine I will use their tract, "What Do Primitive Baptist Believe?" by Elder Lasserre Bradley, Jr., printed by Baptist Bible Hour, Inc., Cincinnati, OH

We will go through their booklet to show how the devils have messed up their minds. The way they teach their doctrine in this booklet is by asking a question and then answering it. Their questions and answers will be in italic letters.

Question I "What is the basic difference between Primitive Baptist and other religious societies?"

Answer: The basic difference is that Primitive Baptists believe in salvation by grace. There are really only two positions that a person can occupy on this matter. One is that salvation is by grace, and the other is that salvation is by works. It cannot be a combination of the two. A person may say that he believes in salvation by grace, but if he sets forth any act of man’s will, such as repentance, faith, baptism, or hearing the gospel, as a condition for obtaining it, then this position must be put on the works side. Primitive Baptists believe that salvation is of the Lord, that it is by His grace, and that nothing needs to be added to it.

The rebuttal: In their answer they state that any act of a man's will is works salvation and not by grace. What does the Bible teach? 1. Repentance - Luke 13:3 "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish", Acts 17:30 - "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:", Romans 2:4 - "Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?", II Corinthians 7:10 - "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death" and II Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." To ignore repentance is to ignore the teachings of Jesus, God, Paul and Peter. 2. Faith - Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.", Romans 10:17 - "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ", Romans 3:25 - 31 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.", Romans 4:5 - "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." and Romans 5:1 - "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:" I could give many more verses that show the folly of their belief. The question that comes to mind is, How many verses does a person ignore to prove his unscriptural position? 3. Hearing the Gospel - Ephesians 1:12 - 13 "That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, " When does a person trust in Jesus Christ? After ye have heard the Word of truth. (verse 13) Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world." They teach that you must be quickened (made alive) before you can hear the gospel.

Eph 2:1-5 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) When a person is quickened he is saved (verse 5), so what they actually teach is that a person is saved before he can hear the gospel. Yet the Bible says you must hear before you can be save. Notice again Rom. 10:17, 3:25-31, 4:5 and Eph. 1:12-13 which you just read. My question is how many scriptures are you going to wrest to your own destruction and thereby call God a liar to prove a false doctrine?

　Question II. What do Primitive Baptists believe about the fall of man?

Answer: That Adam willfully transgressed the law of God and therefore plunged himself and his posterity into a state of guilt and corruption (Romans 5 :12-19). That now man in his natural state is dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1) and is unable to recover himself by an act of his own “free-will” (John 1:13; John 6:44; Romans 3:10-20; Romans 9:16).

Rebuttal: In answer to this nonsense, notice the double talk. A man can willfully transgress the law but he cannot willfully believe on Jesus Christ. A person has to be devil influenced to make such a foolish statement, surely to God he could not naturally believe this. Now let's examine their scriptures: Romans 5:12 - 19, This passage does describe the condition of a lost man but it does not say that he has no will as they have already stated, Adam willfully transgressed. Ephesians 2:1 - "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;". When Adam and Eve sinned against God they died spiritually. From Adam children were born with a dead spirit but live body and soul. The heart of man consists of his intellect, will and emotions. The Bible is plain on this subject by the first three times the heart of God is mentioned. Genesis 6:5 - 7 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." Genesis 8:21 “And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.” So he has the ability to believe, surrender his will and set his emotions on the Lord Jesus Christ, seeing that man was created in His likeness and after His image. Now notice in Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: the term all men, which is found in sixty one verses in the new testament, and means ALL MEN. The Calvinist say the elect are different from all men, so do Calvinist believe they are men? When you mess with God’s Word (the King James Bible) God messes with your mind and you have no spiritual discernment.

They now turn to John 1:13 - "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.", to try to prove that it is only through God’s will and predestination that a person can be saved and the person has nothing to do with it. They fail to point to John 1:11, “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” notice it says He came to His own (Webster’s dictionary, own means belong to) and they didn’t receive Him. If they belonged to Him, according to their doctrine of election, then they could not have rejected Him, seeing they would not have a will, or be able to resist His grace. John 1:12 “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” This scripture sets the order of the new birth. A person must first receive Jesus Christ by believing on Him and thereby become a son of God. Now look at John 5:39-40 “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men.”

This is a verse that either makes Jesus Christ a liar or the Calvinist a liar and we know who the liar is. In verse 40 Jesus Christ said “ye will not come”. Now according to the Primitive Baptist, people can’t come until they already have eternal life (been quickened). So who is the liar?

Question III How do Primitive Baptists support their view of unconditional election?

Answer: They believe that Ephesians chapter one plainly teaches that before the foundation of the world, God, according to His own sovereign pleasure, elected a people to eternal salvation and made all of the arrangements necessary for them to live with Him in glory.

Rebuttal: The scripture they are using is Ephesians 4:1-13 “According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,” and notice that Calvinist make no comments on these scriptures. So I will make some comments and some comparisons with other scriptures. In verse 4 notice the words in Him. When does a person get in Christ? According to the Calvinist God choose us in Him before the foundation of the world. If this was true then all that were elected would have been chosen in Him at the same time.

They will not deal with Romans 16:7, Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. You do notice that the greatest Christian that ever lived said some people were in Christ before himself. Also they forget to read and compare Ephesians 2:11-13 “Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”with their doctrine . Verse 12 says there was a time when we were without Christ and had no hope. If I was in Christ before the foundation of the world there has never been a time when I was without Christ and without hope. Ephesians 1:12-23 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, again gives the order of salvation, 1. First trusted in Christ. 2. After ye heard the word of truth. 3. After ye believed. 4. Ye were sealed. How could this have taken place before the foundation of the world when I did not exist at that time? II Thessalonians 2:13-14 “But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Paul uses the words “from the beginning”. The beginning and before the foundation of the world are not the same. Beginning is dealing with time and time did not start before the world was created. Which is it, in time or before time? Calvinist have a problem with this time. What did Paul say the men were chosen to ? Salvation through sanctification of the spirit and belief of the truth and their belief was in the gospel preached by Paul, verse 14. This could not have taken place before the foundation of the earth. By comparing scripture with scripture we learn that all in Christ are chosen to be holy and without blame before Him. Verse 5 God predestinated the plan of salvation that by being in Jesus Christ we would be children of God to the praise of the glory.

Question 4: What is their position on predestination?

Answer: They believe that God has predestinated a great number to be conformed to the image of His Son (Romans 8:28-30). While some object to this doctrine because they say it is unfair, Primitive Baptists rejoice in it, for they see that had it not been for predestination, the whole human family would have been lost forever. Predestination is not the thing that condemns a man, or puts him in a ruined condition, but the very thing that gets him out of such a state. Predestination concerns not “what” but “whom”. It is the great purpose of God to lift a people up from sin and corruption and make them like Jesus Christ. That’s glorious!

Rebuttal: They believe that God has predestinated a great number to be conformed to the image of His Son, Romans 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” and then they go farther and say, predestination is not the thing that condemns a man or puts him in a ruined condition, but the very thing that gets him out of such a state. So they are saying this refers to salvation.

Now let’s take a careful look at Romans 8:29-30 in light of other scriptures. In verse 28 the ones who are the called are the ones that love God. Did anyone love God before they were saved? They have a one track mind and the calling is always a salvation call. Here the call is for his purpose, to conform us to the image of his son.

In verse 29 the first word we need to consider is foreknow - to fore see or know before. Foreknowledge does not mean the same as predestination nor does it mean that some have to be predestinated. I like to use the example, when I bought my boy a bike I foreknew he would wreck it and he did, but I did not predestinate it to happen.

Who are the many brethren? You will notice it does not say all the brethren but many brethren. Before I answer this question I must point out the fact that Paul wrote all of verses 29-30 in past tense including glorified. So who ever he is talking about had already been glorified. That can’t be the saved of today, as the Calvinist would say, we are still in our old bodies. The many brethren being already glorified must be those saints, who resurrected after Jesus’ resurrection in Matthew 27:52-53 “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”. Compare this with (Isa 26:19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. and EPH. 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. I Corinthians 15:23 “But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming” These many brethren being already resurrected would have been glorified when Paul wrote this and it would have been written in the past tense.

Question 5 - Did not Jesus die for the whole human race?

Answer: No, the Scriptures will not support that idea. Jesus said He came into the world to do the will of His Father, and that will was that He should have all who were given Him (the elect) even before the world began (John 6:37-39). Jesus came to save HIS PEOPLE from their sins, and He did it (Matthew 1:21; Romans 8:33,34). He died for His sheep, not for goats (John 10:15). He died for sons, for the sanctified, for the brethren, for the church, and for the children (Hebrews 2:9-15). He saw the travail of His soul and was satisfied (Isaiah 53:10-12).

Rebuttal: You will notice they call those given to Jesus the elect but the scriptures do not say this. Hebrews 2:9 -15 “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.” Verse 9 says that Jesus Christ tasted death for every man. Now look at II Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” Peter said not willing any should perish but that all should come to repentance. They would say that the “any” and “all” are the elect but they forgot I Timothy 2:1-6

“ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” where in verse 4 Paul uses the word “all men” and you can’t substitute the elect here unless you are a crook and think your readers are stupid. Prayer is to be made for all men, this can’t mean the elect because it includes all in authority and we know they are not all in the elect. Then he uses the same phrase “all men be saved”. Did he mean the elect here and not the elect the first time? Calvinist would say; “that’s right” but that would be private interpretation. (Titus 2:11 “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,” notice the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.) Read the following verses. 1John 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rom 10:9-13 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. In these verses that I have just listed you will notice the underlined words make it plain that “ whosoever” means any man. God must be confused or he doesn’t know the difference between the elect and the nonelect. Only the ignorant, crooks, deceivers and devil possessed would twist the word of God as the Calvinist do. The Calvinist should write their own Bible and call it Sheep Food, then they could quit correcting God’s word.

Question 6 - Do Primitive Baptists deny that Christ died for the world?

 Answer: No, they believe that the world for which He died was the world of His elect. The world of souls for which He died do not have their trespasses imputed to them and therefore cannot be condemned (II Corinthians 5:18-19).

Rebuttal: The first thing that needs to be considered is II Corinthians 5:14-15 “For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.” which says Jesus died for all. Now comparing this with II Timothy1:1-6 and II Peter 3:9 you have to be influenced by devils to say that the “all” in these verses just includes the elect.

Question 7 - How do you know that all of the elect will respond to the call of the Spirit?

Answer : All of the called are justified, so all who were called were called effectually (Romans 8:30). Jesus said all that the Father giveth me SHALL come (John 6:37).

Rebuttal: When they use Romans 8:30 “Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” they again show blindness to whom this refers. Notice they have already been glorified. They use John 6:37 “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” and forget, either through blindness or deliberately, about John 12:32 “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”, all men are drawn.

What makes the call effectually is the person’s response to the call. Mark 10:13-23 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! Jesus says if a person will not come he can not enter the kingdom of God. This young man came to Jesus seeking eternal life and it says that Jesus loved him, Jesus then instructs him as to what he needs to do to have eternal loife, which included “come follow me” and the young man went away. In this scripture Jesus loved the man, which according to the Calvinist, was a vessel fit for destruction. How could Jesus love one who He did not die for?  

II Peter 2:1-3 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.” I Corinthians 6:20 “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.” I Corinthians 7:23 “Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.”

Since Jesus Christ died for all men then these false prophets were bought by Jesus Christ, their debt was paid for just as those who get saved, but these went to hell. He atoned for some who went to hell. This makes limited atonement another lie.

Question 8 - Do you not then teach that some might want salvation but could not have it because they are not one of the elect?

Answer: No, the man who wants salvation already HAS it. The man who hungers and thirsts (desires it) after righteousness is a blessed character (Matthew 5:2-6). The alien sinner doesn’t want salvation, he doesn’t fear God, and he doesn’t love God; therefore we conclude that the man who wants salvation, fears God and loves God is a subject of grace (Romans 3:11,18; I John 4:10).

Rebuttal: To prove their damnable doctrine they take Matthew 5:2-6 “And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.”, which is the law of the millennial reign, and apply it to their so-called elect in the church age. They then use Romans 3:11,18 “There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. There is no fear of God before their eyes.” without considering the words “none” and “all” this is wresting the scripture unto their own destruction. Romans 3:9-10 “What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” In verse ten the Bible says there are none righteous so according to their doctrine it never has applied to them, seeing they were in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Before people get saved they are without Christ, Ephesians 2:12 “That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:” and were dead in trespasses and sins, being children of wrath. Ephesians 2:1-5 “And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)” Matthew 19:16-22 “And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.” There is a young man who comes to Jesus Christ seeking eternal life and leaves without it. If he had no desire for eternal life he would not have come to Jesus. Again they hope their readers will not find these verses.

Question 9 - 11 Why then do you preach, if you are already sure that all of the elect are going to be saved in Heaven?